I have just picked up a ssu1321mh blank and am in the planning stages of the build.
This rod will be built for spinning and will only fish braid. I would like to be able to throw from just under 2 ounces to just over 4 with this rod (poppers, darters, tins, etc.) I am contemplating putting on the LCSG series of Low rider Fuji guides, but I really need some solid opinions as to how successful these guides will be on this type of rod. Right now I am thinking about six guides for the rod as follows:
LCSG 20, 16, 12, 10, 10, 10
I have done many searches and put up several threads on different sites, but I would like to hear your opinion.
So far this is the information that I have been able to interpret on the blank:
-It was built to handle the demands of casting braided lines.
-The blank has more flex through the entire blank than comparable rods.
-The weight rating given to this rod by Lamiglas is exaggerated. Just under 2 - 5 seems to be the common weight range. Nothing close to 8.
Here is what I have learned regarding the LCSG guides and the low rider concept:
-It spawned from distance casting rods over 13' long
-The system is designed to quickly bring the braid through the guides
-The system is designed to eliminate or reduce the dreaded wind knot.
First, is my information above correct?
Secondly, is the LCSG option viable for rods such as this? Specifically I am worried about:
-Dampening the tip too much and having to much recoil in the rod.
-The rods durability with this type of guide.
So in short, what do you guys think? What do you see as the advantages / disadvantages of this type of build? What guides / guide setup do you recommend specifically for this rod.
I look forward to your opinions.
Stroth


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I think all of your observations are correct. The only thing I could see being a potential issue is the number of guides. If you are running low frame guides the line will have more tendency to slap the blank. I think it would benefit to have one more guide on this setup and run the size 20 a little closer to the reel than the norm. I think you will see some advantages if you are running a med to smallish reel. The rod blank will only benefit from an extra guide and the overall weight of the guides will be less than the norm because you are running the lower lighter guides. Thus reducing recoil in the rod.
The SSU blank will love you for it.
Josh Cooper
Lamiglas Rod Squad Guru
Many thanks for your info.
Interesting take on the line slap. Some feel the low riders reduce line slap.
The intended reel is not going to be a small one, a daiwa saltiga surf, or emblem pro 4500, or 5,000. Will I see any benefits from this reel setup?
The size 20 first guide most likely be placed around 40 inches from the reel spool.
So, you think I should just add another 10 guide there? I do not want to go smaller than a 10 ring tip, so the ten size makes sense. Total would be 7 guides.
I believe low rider guides placed slightly closer to the reel do reduce line slap. I do not think you will see quite AS MUCH of an improvement coming off of a large reel to a small 20 guide as you may with a smaller reel. I think another 10 would be fine but would bring my 20 back to 35" from the center of the reel seat.
Josh Cooper
Lamiglas Rod Squad Guru
So in all honesty, what do you see as gains of the low rider system?
There had to be a reason you all did not put low riders on your factory builds of this blank. I am really interested in hearing your reasons why not.
Many Thanks!
Stroth
I am planning on having a rod made using a GSB 132M blank. I am planning on using the lowrider guides as well. I only will use braid on this rod and believe the lowriders if spaced correctly will help me get better distance. I intend to use 3-4 oz. plugs and bunker snag hooks when the bunker are around.
Please advise me of the proper amount of guides as well as their size and spacing.
Thank you,
Paul
The weight is reduced and this makes for less line recoil in the blank. I think it allowes you to run more guides without adding weight. More guides will keep the line from slapping the outside of the guide as they are closer together. Closer together means the line does not have a chance to S threw the guides and makes it come off straight. This all equals longer casts and lighter weight.
The reason we have not offered this type of system is the east coast surf fisherman typically have the mentality that less guides means less friction and we have a hard time changing there mind. We have had many complain about the fact that we put "too many" guides on our blanks and have seen sales go up after taking a guide off of some models. So I guess the main reason for us not running this system is it would kill the sales.
Josh Cooper
Lamiglas Rod Squad Guru
Paul we do not have a guide spacing worked up for the low rider guides on our surf blanks. I would recommend no less than 7 guides and the sizing listed above looks to be good. Maybe Stroth will share his findings with us and possibly his spacing if it works out good for him.
Josh Cooper
Lamiglas Rod Squad Guru
Thanks John and thanks to Stroth for his advice here as well as on another site.
Paul